Comments on: Article / Japanese boundaries: A different way of perceiving space http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/ interior design forum , articles, planning information, bathroom kitchen case studies, design software, articles, discussion platform, building regulations, events Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:35:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Lizzy Van Lysebeth http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-2070 Lizzy Van Lysebeth Mon, 10 Jan 2011 19:47:39 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-2070 Dear Jason, Lizzy Design copyrighted material can be used for educational purposes with the proper permissions. To print out the text for further reference no special permission is needed. Your email notification is sufficient for us. If you like to quote our material in research or project papers you will need to acquire written authorization from us. We will need your course details, department and university details, the details and contact details of your supervising lecturer who will need to confirm the benefit of our material to your project. We will then send you a contract of use of the requested material which you will have to sign. Send your requests to info@lizzydesign.com With kind regards, Lizzy Dear Jason,

Lizzy Design copyrighted material can be used for educational purposes with the proper permissions. To print out the text for further reference no special permission is needed. Your email notification is sufficient for us. If you like to quote our material in research or project papers you will need to acquire written authorization from us. We will need your course details, department and university details, the details and contact details of your supervising lecturer who will need to confirm the benefit of our material to your project. We will then send you a contract of use of the requested material which you will have to sign.
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]]> By: ผ้าม่านพาหุรัด http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-2044 ผ้าม่านพาหุรัด Tue, 04 Jan 2011 19:02:10 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-2044 I agree with the previous post, according to the Thai saying, it is entirely up to our brain and our synapses which will tell us about our surroundings. This is why people on entheogens such as LSD and other psychedelics experience the world in a completely different way from normal people with standard level of serotonins. I agree with the previous post, according to the Thai saying, it is entirely up to our brain and our synapses which will tell us about our surroundings. This is why people on entheogens such as LSD and other psychedelics experience the world in a completely different way from normal people with standard level of serotonins.

]]> By: Jason Kirkby http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-2043 Jason Kirkby Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:14:45 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-2043 Dear Lizzy Van Lysebeth, I have happened across this article of yours while researching a bit about the concept of 'Ma' - I am currently studying a BA Hons in Fine Art @ Winchester School of Art and I would like to ask you if I may print off your article here for the purposes of my continuing research; if I had your permission I would also like, possibly, to quote from it provided I acknowledged you as the author of any quote. I look forward to your reply, Happy New Year ! Sincerely, Jason Kirkby . Dear Lizzy Van Lysebeth,
I have happened across this article of yours while researching a bit about the concept of ‘Ma’ – I am currently studying a BA Hons in Fine Art @ Winchester School of Art and I would like to ask you if I may print off your article here for the purposes of my continuing research; if I had your permission I would also like, possibly, to quote from it provided I acknowledged you as the author of any quote.
I look forward to your reply,
Happy New Year !
Sincerely,
Jason Kirkby .

]]> By: ผ้าม่าน http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-2040 ผ้าม่าน Tue, 28 Dec 2010 17:54:31 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-2040 The Thai saying is similar to that of the Japanese, it is very hard to separate the mind from the surroundings, our perception of boundaries and the things around us are completely influenced by our mind. It is absolutely true and fascinating at the same time, it is difficult to separate bodily experiences from the mind. The Thai saying is similar to that of the Japanese, it is very hard to separate the mind from the surroundings, our perception of boundaries and the things around us are completely influenced by our mind. It is absolutely true and fascinating at the same time, it is difficult to separate bodily experiences from the mind.

]]> By: stevephillips79 http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-2003 stevephillips79 Tue, 17 Aug 2010 06:33:15 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-2003 It’s beautiful, very concentrated and thought provoking for a very economical length. The campfire analogy very interesting. I found it easy enough to ‘get it’, as i’m sure everyone else could as well, although it does need to be approached intuitively.still i like things to be handled with care It’s beautiful, very concentrated and thought provoking for a very
economical length. The campfire analogy very interesting. I found it
easy enough to ‘get it’, as i’m sure everyone else could as well,
although it does need to be approached intuitively.still i like things to be handled with care

]]> By: Gregory M http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-1578 Gregory M Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:17:59 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-1578 Must comment on your article on the Japanese sense of space: Cor! It's beautiful, very concentrated and thought provoking for a very economical length. The campfire analogy very interesting. I found it easy enough to 'get it', as i'm sure everyone else could as well, although it does need to be approached intuitively. The thought-provoking nature is fertile in leading on; how such a zone is physically flexible in scale, the word perhaps is mutable. Different in character as well as scale when the fire is bright and cheerful, more mysterious when dying down, drawing into itself. Your use of sensory imagery is very good, hands-on, haptic; draws the reader right in, into the warmth of the fire u might say. Must comment on your article on the Japanese sense of space: Cor!
It’s beautiful, very concentrated and thought provoking for a very
economical length. The campfire analogy very interesting. I found it
easy enough to ‘get it’, as i’m sure everyone else could as well,
although it does need to be approached intuitively. The
thought-provoking nature is fertile in leading on; how such a zone is
physically flexible in scale, the word perhaps is mutable. Different in
character as well as scale when the fire is bright and cheerful, more
mysterious when dying down, drawing into itself. Your use of sensory
imagery is very good, hands-on, haptic; draws the reader right in, into
the warmth of the fire u might say.

]]> By: Lizzy Van Lysebeth http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-1099 Lizzy Van Lysebeth Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:29:12 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-1099 I can understand you find the analogy with the campfire odd. As a western however it is an example to which you can easily relate. The concept of “ma” is not known to us and is, as you mentioned yourself difficult to explain. I entirely agree with you that this aesthetical concept is born from the mentality of the people which in itself is a result of cultural and geographical inheritance. Saying this however makes me wonder if such concept is applicable in other geographical and cultural environments. Masters like Frank Lloyd Wright and Mies Van der Rohe have proven that to a certain extent it is possible but at the same time the modern movement has shown that it is easy to take such concepts out of their context. Often criticised by the Japanese (and with reason), modern minimalism and concepts as “ma” are mere physical representations of oriental concepts without a soul. This inevitable brings us to your 3rd point: would a Brit enjoy and experience an engawa the same way as a Japanese? I am sure he wouldn’t. I can understand you find the analogy with the campfire odd. As a western however it is an example to which you can easily relate. The concept of “ma” is not known to us and is, as you mentioned yourself difficult to explain.

I entirely agree with you that this aesthetical concept is born from the mentality of the people which in itself is a result of cultural and geographical inheritance. Saying this however makes me wonder if such concept is applicable in other geographical and cultural environments. Masters like Frank Lloyd Wright and Mies Van der Rohe have proven that to a certain extent it is possible but at the same time the modern movement has shown that it is easy to take such concepts out of their context. Often criticised by the Japanese (and with reason), modern minimalism and concepts as “ma” are mere physical representations of oriental concepts without a soul. This inevitable brings us to your 3rd point: would a Brit enjoy and experience an engawa the same way as a Japanese? I am sure he wouldn’t.

]]> By: Ken'ichi http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-924 Ken'ichi Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:40:49 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-924 A well written piece, although the analogy with campfire was a little odd. I often find it difficult to express the concept you evoked in this article to my friends in the West, so maybe I'll just point them to this piece. I do wonder if the concept presented here would be applicable in various environment/geographical sites around the world? I believe that the concept of "ma" in Japanese (and Chinese) aesthetics is borne from the mentality of these people and their strong interaction with their surroundings. Japanese designs seem to infiltrate many of today's design in the West, the so-called globalisation I presume... to the detriment of local diversity in the name of fashion. Which is shame. Take your example the engawa mentioned in your article. In its strictest application, I wonder how practical it is to build an engawa in a British climate? Why, in the first place, would a Brit want an engawa feature in his "castle"? Would this Brit appreciate an engawa the same way as a Japanese would? Would having a BBQ party with free flowing beer be a good use of engawa for example? When is an engawa not an engawa, but a mere porch? How interesting... A well written piece, although the analogy with campfire was a little odd. I often find it difficult to express the concept you evoked in this article to my friends in the West, so maybe I’ll just point them to this piece.

I do wonder if the concept presented here would be applicable in various environment/geographical sites around the world? I believe that the concept of “ma” in Japanese (and Chinese) aesthetics is borne from the mentality of these people and their strong interaction with their surroundings.

Japanese designs seem to infiltrate many of today’s design in the West, the so-called globalisation I presume… to the detriment of local diversity in the name of fashion. Which is shame. Take your example the engawa mentioned in your article. In its strictest application, I wonder how practical it is to build an engawa in a British climate? Why, in the first place, would a Brit want an engawa feature in his “castle”? Would this Brit appreciate an engawa the same way as a Japanese would? Would having a BBQ party with free flowing beer be a good use of engawa for example? When is an engawa not an engawa, but a mere porch?

How interesting…

]]> By: Peter http://www.id-sphere.com/2008/08/japanese-boundaries-a-different-way-of-perceiving-space/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Peter Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:25:55 +0000 http://www.id-sphere.com/?p=75#comment-12 This article was very enlightening to me. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work! Peter This article was very enlightening to me. Thanks a lot and keep up the good work!

Peter

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